I commend you if you read this page from start to finish.
It's long, detailed and insightful info.
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Let's start where it's "Easy Peasy" to tell the Quality of your breeder as the Quality of your breeder
will ultimately tell you the quality of the dogs they raise.
Are the dogs they are breeding "QUALITY" dogs?
If not then really there is no reason to continue the discussion.
A dog with toed out feet, too short legs, big head, short nose, bad conformation, floppy ears, Excessive White,
Over-Sized and/or Under-Sized is "NOT BREED QUALITY" and is being breed solely to make Money.
Worst yet these type breeders seem to congregate together and swap bad quality dogs or use each others
bad quality dogs for breeding instead of trying to improve their breeding program.
Has the breeder ever had to use DNA to determine the Sire of a Pup?
If so then who is the actual Sire of their current pups? Maybe it isn't the one you've been shown and not
a Sire you'd be interested in getting a pup from - Food for thought!
What do their pictures and/or Videos say?
Junky house, filthy baseboards, Pee - Poop visible, unkept yard - all of these tell you a story line
into the type of Breeder they are.
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Do NOT buy a puppy without genetically tested parents or bloodline or one without Creditable Papers Available
Is it Purebred or a Mixed Breed? If a Breeder can't Prove their Unregistered animal is a Purebred
then 99.9% chance it's a mixed breed look-alike being fraudulently passed off as a Purebred
for MONEY.
We ask you with all sincerity to not support those breeding only for the money.
If they have no outside Visible Means of Support then chances are they ARE breeding solely for the money.
Responsible - caring breeders will breed only registered & Genetically tested dogs for registered pups
with a responsible registry (*some registries take anything you fill out a piece of paper for).
HPA is the only creditable Harlie Registries approved by the developer of the breed and every dog in
their database goes back to DOCUMENTED founding dogs.
Buying a puppy can be a wonderful and enjoying experience or it can turn into a nightmare.
It truly is a BUYERS BEWARE MARKET these days.
Hopefully we can help you avoid some of the pitfalls of purchasing a puppy.
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Please keep in mind that I have been raising puppies for 40+ years and once was a die-hard in-home breeder.
I have been to many breeders kennels from their in-home kennel to out-door kennels.
I am the Director of the HPA and a board-director and deal with Buyer Complaints on a daily basis
from those who made poor buying choices.
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SHORT VERSION of WHAT TO LOOK FOR WHEN PURCHASING A PUPPY
1. Established Breeder of the breed
2. Registration papers
A. HPA is the registration of choice for responsible Harlequin Pinscher breeders.
B. AKC is the registration of choice for Miniature Pinschers.
None of these registries allow hardship registration and never have unlike CKC who only requires you to fill out a piece of paper
claiming you have a certain breed - WAY TO MANY CKC dogs popping up that ARE crossbred mutts.
(*those breeders claiming to have purebred puppies without papers could be said to be anything with no proof to back it.
Papers cost the breeder money thus the reason most go without them or their breeding/selling practices along with their
moral/ethical character have gotten them suspended/banned from being able to register.)
3. Tell Tale Signs - Professed In-home breeder with multiple dogs or multiple breed listings.
(*what would a house look like with 34 dogs and puppies living in it?)
And the smell would have to be unbearable to those who haven't become accustomed to it.
Some breeders aren't real smart at times either as you will often times see in their pictures of:
A. crates stacked up so you know their dogs live in those small crates.
How sad for the dogs being subjected to that type of restricted life.
B. X-pens galore housing dogs in a small area for the majority of their life.
I've often wondered why the term "Hoarder" gets applied to bad in-home breeders but those that raise theirs outside
are called Puppymills - seems like a double standard - Either however can be a bad situation.
C. Their House or belongings are in shambles.
i.e. Walls destroyed, ceilings missing, destroyed furniture, floor destroyed, house in disarray.
Baseboards are filthy - can you actually believe these folks post these type pics?
Why would anyone want to live this way to make a Dollar on a dog?
Worst yet is WHY would a puppy buyer buy from such a place?
D. Their Yards or Kennels are a total Disaster Area.
4. PUREBRED BREEDER
(*those breeding mixed breeds without working toward a documented NEW breed
are only adding to the rescue and pound problem of homeless dogs.)
5. Breeding to an ETHICAL standard
(*not every puppy can be breed standard and unfortunately breed standards seem to be a revolving door with
SOME registries but if a breeder is breeding horrific looking dogs to begin with then they are NOT looking to better the breed
.. i.e Min Pin/Harlequin Pinscher with Chihuahua head, bulgy eyes, stubby legs or an obvious NON-Breed Characteristic.
6. CASH PAYMENTS IN PERSON & PERSONAL PUPPY PICK UP
You can't beat Cash Payment in Person with Personal Puppy Pick Up.
Hands-Down the best way to get a puppy even if you have to drive a ways to do it.
6b. PayPal does not guarantee live animal purchases.
6c. It is against PayPal policies for sellers to charge a % upcharge fee and against PayPal
policies to Use "Friends and Family" to pay for or accept payment for an animal .
7. Genetic and DNA Testing ON FILE
An ETHICAL breeder breeding to better the breed with love for the breed is going to be financially
out a minimum of $300.00 per dog in testing before they even breed it the first time.
Excuses are just that:
"Excuses for NOT making sure their dogs are "CLEAR" of known diseases so they can breed healthier, longer lived offspring.
ALL of my breeding animals have been 'genetic tested' with results sent in to the registry and ALL of my dogs
INCLUDING females are DNA tested with Microchip Documentation and on file with the registry.
Don't be fooled by those simply saying they TEST.
Testing is only getting results - those results could show Affected, Carrier or Clear.
Affected produces Affected and/or Carrier offspring - it can never produce CLEAR offspring.
Carrier can produce more Carriers. If you unknowingly have 2 Carriers then you can produce
affected offspring thus you produce pups that have the potential to have health issues.
Even Carriers have the slight chance to have genetic health issues.
NEVER - EVER buy a pup from Affected or Carrier Parents.
Do your homework and buy Wisely.
We have the Research and Technology available to us now to Breed Wisely.
Those not using the tools available to us and clearing their lines of bad genetics are only breeding for the money.
I won't lie - Breeding Wisely is financially stressing but it's the Breeders responsiblity to do so.
Just removing dogs from our breeding program that didn't test "Clear" cost us 10s of thousands of
dollars in Dog cost and future Puppy sales. It WAS the RIGHT thing to do for Our Breeding Program,
for our Future Pups Produced and for our Puppy Buyers.
We took the hit so our Puppy Buyers would have longer-liver Healthier Dogs with fewer health concerns.
8. Breeding soley for the Money
Here is the WORST of the Worst.
These are the maggots of the dog world.
These breeders have no outside sustaining income and rely on Puppy Sales to support themselves.
These are the breeders you should avoid like the Plaque.
Many of you have seen and KNOW these breeders but turn a blind eye.
These breeders breed whatever they can get their hands on and could care less about QUALITY.
They may Genetic Test as Genetic Testing is cheap compared to having to replace a $1000.00 dog.
Many now use "Genetic Testing" as a Diversion to divert Buyers from focusing on the Poor Quality
of the animals they use for Breeding and the poor quality they are producing or they use the
words "Genetic Test" and avoid telling you what the results were of that Genetic Test.
It's called "Deceptive Trade Practices" used by unethical and unscrupulous Breeders.
Puppies are Cute - the Dilemnia is what will they look like Grown.
Poor Quality Breeding Stock generally produces Poor Quality Puppies.
Don't be fooled by those trying to use the words "We Genetic Test",
unless those words are followed by 100% CLEAR Breeding Stock.
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INTERESTED IN THE LONG VERSION .... READ ON
KENNEL VS HOME RAISED
There really are good and bad of both.
The question really shouldn't be about housing but about the BREEDER themselves.
When most people think "Kennel" they assume puppies are raised in small cages with no love or attention
and for 'some' that is true but being raised in a 'kennel' isn't necessarily as bad as some may think.
While a total (*from birth to 8 weeks) kennel environment isn't one, I personally, approve of - I do realize some
find it perfectly acceptable. I however do feel for somebody with a variety of dogs and/or breeds,
has multple litters at one time, has more than 1 male or more than 5 or 6 breeding dogs that a kennel
is a necessity in order to maintain breeding purity/quality and for the safety of the animals as dogs
that run in packs will eventually attack and kill other dogs. I will give you, food for thought, examples - Say somebody has
3 stud dogs, now if these are all of the same breed it would be slightly better than the male dogs being of 2 or 3
different breeds. If the dogs are raised in a kennel environment the owner most likely will have the appropriate housing
so the male and female are kept in their own space during the 3 weeks of every 6 months the female is in heat.
Having their own space has the added benefit of being less likely that anotherdog of same breed or another breed
getting access to the female thus resulting in wrong or multiple sire identification.
Regardless of what any in-home breeding breeder says if they keep more than one male then
accidental breedings are sure to occur and I have direct access to the proof of such with some
of the x-HPA Harlie Breeders If the accidental breeding was from 2 dogs of the same breed then you would still be
buying a pure-bred dog but the pedigree would be worthless on that animal and papers could be pulled causing
a major headache for all involved. If the accidental breeding was from 2 dogs of different breeds then you've
bought a high-dollar cross-bred puppy.
Most registries will be happy to assist you on trying to acquire the DNA to verify parentage but once wrong
parentage has been identified that is where their efforts stop working for you and it's up to you to file suit and
spend Mega bucks to TRY to get the breeder to pay up.
Some kennels consist of small to very large (*yard size) pens where the dogs get the luxury of being able to run,
play and lay under shade trees just soaking up the love of nature.
Clean, maintained and well thought out kennels are actually more beneficial to the animal
than a nasty, smelly house.
On the flip side you will find In-Home Breeders.
These breeders just like kennel-type breeders come in a variety of good and bad with gray areas in between.
In order for an in-home type breeder to be a good example they would need to be a 24 hour
stay-at-home type with only a small number of dogs averaging 4 or 5 total breeding animals
and YES they are breeding for the money.
I get more calls on average complaining about in-home breeders than any other type.
For an in-home breeder, it requires continual cleaning, picking up and maintaining of dogs and house.
Puppies chew, tear up things and relieve themselves at will. May not be something others want to hear
or even thing about but it's the truth and a reality that every one needs to acknowledge instead of
sticking their head in the sand and acting like these lil chewing and multi-times a day relievers
aren't a LOT of work.
I suggest you think about a few things:
1. Where are the females kept while in heat, how are they kept separate, is the male or female
kept banished from the other dogs for the 3 weeks the female is in heat and if they have multiple
females and/or males how often are these dogs actually allowed to be members of the family instead
of ostracized to a room or worst yet a kennel crate. If I was given the choice of being stuck in a
single room/kennel crate or being outside then give me the outdoors every time.
These are where the accidental breedings and multiple Sire issues occur.
2. 1 litter of 5 puppies goes to the bathroom how often?
Puppies generally relieve themselves about 5 times a day so 5 x 5 = 25 piles of wee-wee or poop A DAY.
Dams usually quit cleaning up after their offspring by 4 weeks of age which means SOMEBODY else
then has to take over the clean-up duty. With just 5 puppies that means somebody will need to be
on-call 24/7 to clean up about 175 piles of excrement a week.
That is ONE average litter - multiple that times the mega litters that some breeders have in their
in-home breeding establishment of 14 dogs and 20 puppies (*multiply that 175 piles x 4 - That's a LOT of POOP)
and it comes down to the indisputable fact that the breeder simply lives in their kennel and they either
have CAGED puppies/dogs in their home or their house is a disaster zone and probably would be considered
to be unfit for human habitation by the common sense reasonable person.
This is your normal Hoarder - they fail to see the way their surroundings have become.
3. Breeder has multiple breeds of dogs with multiple studs.
How does that breeder know 100% who the sire is of their litters if they are ALL kept in the home?
While the Sire of a puppy can be questionable with any type of breeding establishment the registries do get the most
"DNA failed Sire" test from so-called home breeders.
Is the breeder, the registry or YOU going to be saddled with the responsibility and irritation of trying to
get the correct papers on your puppy once/if your puppy shows to have the wrong sire listed by the breeder?
4. It takes a matter of SECONDS for a dog to get with and mate/tie with another dog.
There is NO WAY a breeder who keeps all of their dogs running helter-skelter in their home going to
be able to keep 60 seconds of every minute eye-ball watch on all of those dogs 24/7.
5. Breeder offers delivery or even needs to be gone for a few hours - ever wonder who watches
those dogs while they are gone and who cleans up after the dogs while they are gone. I have and still
do know WAY TO MANY who simply leave the dogs unattended and deal with the mess when they return.
I have known a few who came home to a bloody massacre when unattended dogs got into a fight.
I also personally know of many who 'lie' about who watches their dogs while they are gone.
I personally USED to be an in-home breeder and I know the work, effort and time involved to even half-way do it in a
responsible and cleanly manner. It IS a FULL TIME job for even those with just ONE litter much less those with
MULTIPLE LITTERS and worst yet with 10 or more grown dogs being kept in the house.
I personally suggest if your dead-set on purchasing only from an in-home breeder then you be
diligent in your search and only purchase from a breeder who breeds ONE BREED with ONE STUD
on the premise and no more than ONE LITTER at a time with only a minimal amount of dogs
WITH 100% "CLEAR" GENETIC TESTED DOGS.
Keep in mind that this person also will be limited to their choices of breeding since they will have
limited genetics to work with therefore unlikely to be breeding wih QUALITY as their primary goal.
ADVANTAGES and DISADVANTAGES of a ONE BREED BREEDER
Many falsely believe or have been led to believe that a person can only breed one breed of dog in order to
do it correctly. This could not be more false or further from the truth. I had the distinct advantage of learning
to Read, Write and do Arithmetic in school and believe it or not learned them all.
You will find breeders who have one breed and know that breed inside and out but you will also find those who
are just breeding and could care less about the dog, it's history or even it's lineage as long as somebody
will pay them for the puppies they produce.
You will find breeders who have multiple breeds and know them all inside and out as well as those who
just don't care what the breeds history or lineage is as long as the money keeps rolling in.
There are advantages and disadvantages when buying from a One Breed Breeder.
The most relevant disadvantage is usually genetics if your dealing with a small breeder of the breed.
A small breeder of one breed seldom has a wide range of genetics to work with and more times than not only
has one stud instead of having multiple studs at their disposal so as to breed for improving faults of the dam and sire.
On the other hand a multi-breed breeder may only be breeding to produce puppies.
A large-scale breeder will normally have more studs at their disposal but again, are they or aren't they, breeding
to improve faults.
Bottom line being it's anybody's guess as to who is breeding with improving the breed as their ultimate goal.
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DNA - TESTING
There are NO GOOD EXCUSES to not Test
Testing Results are a tool that MUST be used in any responsible breeding program to KNOW what
is in your line and to know which dogs to breed and which dogs to remove from a breeding program. While we
can only judge a dog by it's visual appearance, the only way to know what it's interior looks like is by doing
genetic testing. There are dogs which will not show affected genes until later years in life but they are still
fatal genetics no matter the age of when the symptoms surface. These genes can sometimes be detected
in the PARENTS thus avoiding the breeding of such dogs and eliminating the potential for that particular
animal to reproduce offspring that will have those tested genetic issues.
There are NO GOOD EXCUSES to breed animals with affected Genetical Status.
There is only one reason to breed one with Carrier Genetical Status
and that is for the breeder "doing a ONE TIME" breeding to get a CLEAR
replacement pup to continue the bloodline - that however also results in
MORE Carrier puppies being produced and sold to others!
"One Time Breeding" is just that.
They breed the dog ONE TIME - Test ALL the pups and keep a "CLEAR" puppy to carry on the line.
If a breeder continually breeds a Genetic Affected or Carrier dog then Money is the reason
and not the well-fare of what they produce.
Buying from a breeder who does not test but CLAIMS they will guarantee a puppy/dog against a genetic disease
is sure to lead to disappointment as IF the breeder doesn't care IF their own dogs have the disease or IF their
puppies could be affected then WHY would they care IF your puppy/dog has it.
Guarantees are only as good as the breeder your dealing with and WAY TO MANY TIMES the breeder is only
after your money and once they have it .... well ..... let's just say "You made a poor choice of who to purchase from"
as the registry, other folks or even the courts can't make them do the right thing.
Court Judgements consist of a piece of paper that very seldom produce Financial Rewards.
Registries shouldn't be expected to solve 'poor choices' made by the buyer.
Buy only from breeders who are willing to expend funds, test and breed only "CLEAR" dogs.
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SHOW BREEDERS VS NON-SHOW BREEDERS
Is one better than the other
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In this authors opinion, this shouldn't even be in the considerations when choosing who to purchase a puppy from.
I showed for years and know in every sector of my brain that my dogs were the same quality and health running on the farm as they were
waltzing out of the Show Ring with those Championship Titles.
I showed to spend time with my dogs and other dog lovers but the Show Circuit has it's share of good and bad breeders as well.
Championship Titles on dogs aren't always what people seem to think.
Some titles are deserved - others were achieved through manipulation of the system.
It doesn't take a show-breeder long to learn which shows to go to and to look for shows to go to where certain Judges are
that lean toward putting dogs first that have the same characteristics as their own.
A poor quality animal easily reaches it Championship Status by going to smaller shows where there is less competition.
I actually showed a very poor quality Dachshund once to it's Championship just to prove to another breeder it could be done.
I also witnessed a clearly crossbred Yorkshire Terrier x Brussel Griffon win a Championship Title with a Point Scored Registry.
It was actually that Show along with a couple of others that made me realize that TITLES weren't the Guru of
all Gurus that determined the quality of an animal.
I have shown the only Champion Shown Harlequin Pinschers but there are LOTS of Harlies out there that I showed or
have the Run-N-Ridge Championship Pedigrees behind them.
Do I pick a puppy to purchase based on what it's parents did in a show ring? Not on your life!!!!!!
I am looking to buy a puppy for breeding from genetically tested parents, who has eye appeal with no breed disqualifications,
no hernias, no bite issues, no coat issues and which I feel will be beneficial to my breeding program and produce 'outstanding' offspring.
Ask yourself this "If the prettiest dog you ever saw belonged to somebody who had no desire to show would you bypass buying
offspring from that gorgeous animal simply because they had no desire to waltz it through a show ring?"
Is a puppy from Championship Lineage worth more than one without Championship Lineage?
Maybe so or Maybe not - Depends on the TRUE Quality of the animal itself.
Also keep in mind that it only takes ONE breeding to ruin the quality and health of any puppy.
What good is a Red Line Pedigree if the animal itself is Visibly Unappealing, blind, ill, dying or dead?
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REGISTRATION PAPERS
IMPORTANT - Yes, No, Guaranteed, Will Never Get
Are registration papers important? Answer is YES without hesitation!!
I breed purebred dogs with the goal of quality and health therefore papers with a long line of
documented pedigrees standing behind them are very important to me. If a bloodline starts
experiencing health issues the only way I will know to monitor my own lines is if I have reliable
Pedigrees to do research on.
A dog/puppy without papers from a creditable registry is an undocumented animal with no known
lineage and no proven purebred status.
Basically a breeding dog without papers is logically worth NOTHING.
Even if your purchasing just as a pet you should be concerned on what your getting and it's breed
make-up as every breed has it's own characteristic traits that determines it's personality, it's size
and most importantly it's temperament to get along with children, other animals and strangers.
I can not stress enough that papers must be from a CREDITABLE registry.
HPA is the only Creditable registry, approved by the Developing Breeder of Harlies,
to issue Pedigrees back to all of the HPA founding dogs.
If you purchase a Harlie with other Registry papers then your most likely purchasing a crossbred mutt or from
an unethical breeder looking to put your coffers in their pocket. These breeders have these type registered dogs
for a reason and there is seldom a good reason irregardless of what they say.
A breeder who offers Registration Papers should have papers 'in hand' when they advertise those
puppies as available. Those who guarantee papers but do not have them 'in hand' and do not give them
to the buyer at the time of purchase way to often become those ill-thought-of breeders who never end
up giving their buyer the promised papers.
Along with raising a quality healthy puppy in a clean environment a responsible breeder will do their job
of applying for papers in a timely manner so as to have those papers 'in hand' at the time of sale.
If you buy a puppy, take possession of that puppy and agree to getting papers at a later date then
you have nobody to blame but 'yourself' when those papers NEVER materialize.
Since I am the director of HPA and sit on the board, I have had to deal with buyers who are complaining
about 'never received papers'. Way to often those same puppy buyers feel the un-logical need to blame everybody
else including the registry for their failure to receive papers.
If your one of those who has failed to get promised papers then I encourage you to submit a written and notarized
complaint to the registry and ask for them to contact the breeder on your behalf to help expedite papers or to include
the complaint in the breeders file for use to have reasonable cause to suspend or ban abreeder from
future application of papers.
I can't answer for others and won't even try to BUT if I bought a dog and was told it would have papers
then by george I would expect and demand to get those papers and would be a pain in the patoot
to the seller until I got them.
These breeders have a minimium of 8 weeks to apply for papers!
Absolutely no good excuse to not have them at time of Puppy Pick-Up to give to their Puppy Buyers.
Keep in mind there is a difference in a Puppy having papers Available and you getting the option
of paying less on a Spay/Neuther agreement without papers.
NO ETHICAL BREEDER will sale a pup without Papers knowing it is to be bred.
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VISITING THE BREEDERS HOME
WHY?
Is being allowed to snoop around the breeders home really a necessity?
Should there be red flags flying high when a breeder won't allow you to come to their home?
Do you really believe somebody "with sense" who keeps their dogs stuffed in crates will let
you see the crate room their dogs live their whole lives in?
The answer is for the most part - NO.
I, personally, allowed potential buyers to come to my home for many years to get puppies and had to deal
with several scary and unnecessary situations. I've had puppies mysteriously disappear after potential buyer
visits. I had a horrible ordeal with a bout of Parvo in the early 90's after a family visited who came from other
breeders places and the pound looking for that just right puppy. I had a local lady who purchased a puppy and
showed up every day for over a month on my doorstepjust because she had no other friends - I would come home
and find her sitting on my porch swing waiting on me to return home. I had a potentially dangerous encounter with
2 men who came under the false pretense of looking for a puppy - It was after that incident that it became clear to me
that we no longer live in a society where it is safe or even remotely realistic to allow strangers to come to our homes
or to even go to a strangers home to pick up a puppy.
Others have lost their lives by allowing strangers into their homes.
I prefer to keep myself and my family safe and will meet a puppy buyer in a well-lit place with others around to
help deter getting hurt or killed.
How many of you would actually open your door to a stranger and allow them full access to your home?
My guess is 'not many' yet those same folks think Breeders should!
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Sure Fire - No Fault - Work Every Time - Reliable Method of who to purchase from
There isn't one and any common sense reasonably sane person without an agenda knows it!
Don't get drug into other's bias views, agendas and nonsense.
BOTTOM LINE
Don't fall for all the bias reasons others will give you on who you should purchase from and
their own criteria views.
Look for a responsible breeder who is doing their best to produce healthy quality puppies and who will stand
behind the puppies they produce and their guarantees and isn't banned from a registry they once used.
All of the rest is nothing but window dressing.
These are simply my personal opinions and thoughts acquired over the years from my own personal experiences
and observations. If nothing else, hopefully they have given you something to think about.
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REGISTRATION:
Does the Registry make a Difference?
You bet it does!!!!!
Registries have popped up all over - Some good - Some bad - Some better than others.
Many Clubs/Associations/Registries have even started registering their own breeds due to the politics,
continual breed standard changes, breeder Clashes and need to preserve the breed.
These Clubs/Associations/Registries must each be evaluated individually to their benefit to the breed
they represent and most importantly WHY they were founded.
I will address the Registries I use and WHY I use them.
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Harlequin Pinscher Association
(*Harlequin Pinscher - Min Pin)
I, Nancy Anderson, am the founding breeder for the re-development (resurrection) of the then extinct Harlequin Pinscher.
The HPA was formed to document the lineage and establish a database for the Harlequin Pinscher.
The HPA is the ONLY registry with the complete database for the founding bloodlines of the
Harlequin Pinscher and the only registry approved
by the developig breeder for registration of the Harlequin Pinscher.
If ANY BREEDER tries to pass a Harlequin Pinscher off as purebred without papers or with papers from any
other registry other than HPA then your chances of getting a TRUE PUREBRED Harlequin Pinscher is slim to none
or your dealing with a unethical/immoral breeder (or one who bought from one) who has broken a Contract as
ALL Purebred Harlequin Pinschers from the conception of the breed were required by contract to be only registered with HPA .
HPA is the premier Registry for Harlies - Bar None.
Other well-known and long established Registries have included the Harlequin Pinscher Breed in
their Breed Line up as it's added Profit to their annual Bottom Line.
More recently a Registry was founded by some folks banned from HPA.
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NONE of these Registries have the Founding Database for those wishing to do research
on their Bloodlines or for the Avid Breeder like myself who has 12 plus
generation pedigrees as I'm a Pedigree enthusiast who likes to have a lot of pedigree info on my dogs.
NONE of these other Registries have access to HPA "Corrected Pedigrees" which
sadly happens from time to time and was required to be done from some breeders who
have since been banned from HPA. These other registries could be issuing Certificates/Pedigrees
with inaccurate information on them. Unfortuantely a few have already surfaced.
It's neither my place or HPA's place to give out the Correct info to those with
incorrect Pedigrees from other Registries.
To tell you how much of a Pedigree Enthusiast I am - I have all of the AKC Pedigree
books ever Published - That's a lot of books that I spent thousands of dollars to get.
Now I have to pay Mega bucks to get Pedigrees since AKC no longer sales Pedigree Books.
I personally would not trust a Harlie Pedigree from any other registry than HPA to be currently accurate.
I've seen Fraudulent Pedigrees from other Registries showing my Run-N-Ridge Kennel name on them
of dogs I've never bred together. I've yet to be successful of getting a Registry to delete those
fraudulent Pedigrees either!
HPA HAS the most current ACCURATE Pedigrees for Run-N-Ridge.
I'd be hard pressed to trust the Pedigree of any other Registry with Run-N-Ridge on it to be accurate.
HPA does not do dual registration of Harlies from ANY other Registry for a reason!
Unethical and Unscrupulious Breeders and Registries BEWARE because I WILL point
out Fraudulant Info to your Puppy Buyers and Registars just as I have in the past.
I will however not give out the correct info as HPA database info is only shared on HPA Documents.
So Basically those with these Fraudulant Pedigrees from other registries may or may not
have a purebred dog but they assuredly have no accurate Lineage to back it.
For those of you who continue to knowingly use Fraudulent Pedigrees you will eventually
face the Piper as sooner or later one of your Puppy Buyers will get the last word.
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~~~ Should a Breeder share Papers and/or Pedigrees with Potential Puppy Buyers?~~~
At one time I did but with these new registries that have popped up that will take anything you send in as
proof that you have a purebred dog to register results in it being no longer wise to share anything.
I've worked many years and spent a lot of money and have had Photos of my dogs and Pedigrees stolen and
passed off as somebody elses on the Internet and in some unethical Registries databases.
I no longer personally share any of my Pedigrees or my Adult dogs pics.